Agenda

• Joey
  • Measuring effort. How much effort does it take to do things and how do people track this today? Need: Statement of capacity for cycle planning.
• Asac
  • The Return of Ungodly hours?

Attendees

• Dave Rusling
• Michael Hope
• Loïc Minier
• Alexander Sack
• Jamie Bennett
• Steve Langasek
• Jesse Barker
• Joey Stanford
• Paul Larson
• James Westby
• Stephen Doel

Minutes

• Actions from Monday
  • DONE David passed action to send info on DT to techleads to gcl
  • CARRIEDOVER David to move TSC calls to new system -- still some issues with some numbers
  • DONE James sent info to Stephen and Rob on careers website
• Measuring effort -- Joey
  • Need to find a way to express to TSC that we will always be getting more work than we can handle, to need a way to express how much we can take and things which might not possibly happen

  • Used Blueprints priorities to try to express this in the planning of 11.05 (TechnicalTopics)

  • Michael Hope did something relatively advanced: used a low/average/high estimation of efforts on each blueprint and that helped him find out which blueprints we wanted to work on
    • At the planning stage, you need something coarser grained than workitems to plan for this
    • His tool is a bit of throwaway code
    • Mounir brought up other tools we could use
  • James says this discussion is actually ongoing in that we're trying to track higher level progress
  • Joey will continue to research this; would like to get feedback from all techleads
  • Need to start thinking now how we're going to plan next cycle, and feed that back to the TSC
  • OCTO topics are outside of the TSC Tech Reqs / Tech Topics process though
  • Jesse feels it would help to have a process/someone to help new people grasp all these things we do about work planning
• The Return of Ungodly hours?
  • Sachin can't attend the calls, should we have an ungodly hours call again?
  • Could have a meeting with just Europe and East people
  • ACTION Alexander checks with Sachin which times he would be confortable with

Actions from this meeting

• CARRIEDOVER David to move TSC calls to new system -- still some issues with some numbers
• ACTION Alexander checks with Sachin which times he would be confortable with